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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;ll (probably) never be a vegetarian</title>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://ginnyskal.com/2008/11/25/ill-probably-never-be-a-vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-2507</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just now seeing this post and wanted to comment. I was a vegetarian for 10 years. It was hard at first, but got easier. Several years ago I decided it would be okay to add a little fish and poultry back in, mostly for the sake of convenience and choice--chicken dishes far outnumber veggie options on restaurant menus, plus it makes things easier when you go to friends&#039; houses and such. But now it&#039;s to the point where I eat fish or chicken almost daily. I still avoid pork and beef, and if offered deer or bison I would decline. I do feel conflicted and a little hypocritical, but my philosophy is, do what you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just now seeing this post and wanted to comment. I was a vegetarian for 10 years. It was hard at first, but got easier. Several years ago I decided it would be okay to add a little fish and poultry back in, mostly for the sake of convenience and choice&#8211;chicken dishes far outnumber veggie options on restaurant menus, plus it makes things easier when you go to friends&#8217; houses and such. But now it&#8217;s to the point where I eat fish or chicken almost daily. I still avoid pork and beef, and if offered deer or bison I would decline. I do feel conflicted and a little hypocritical, but my philosophy is, do what you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fischer</title>
		<link>http://ginnyskal.com/2008/11/25/ill-probably-never-be-a-vegetarian/comment-page-1/#comment-2501</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m barely a generation off the feed lot[1], so I&#039;m liable to be a bit biased in this, but I&#039;ve never really gotten the moral argument.  Certainly that should put you off CAFOs[2], but there&#039;s a lot of well-raised meat out there.  There&#039;s a nice conversation about this to be in Barbara Kingsolver&#039;s &quot;Animal, Vegetable, Miracle&quot;.

The health argument is a good one, although I wonder what the health results would be if you compared vegetarians to people with reasonable diets of meat (say, 2 deck-of-cards-sized servings of organic, grass-finished/pastured meat per day).  The biggest issue Americans have is that we have a totally messed up concept of how much protein is really required in our diet, and most of the protein we eat is mass-processed, drive-through-window crap instead of the antibody/antioxidant/omega-3 rich free range alternatives.

And, to bring this comment back around to the original post -- I&#039;m all over buffalo wings.  To the point of making myself sick.  I just can&#039;t turn them down...

[1] http://www.hegerfeldpremium.com/
[2] http://www.epa.gov/region7/water/cafo/index.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m barely a generation off the feed lot[1], so I&#8217;m liable to be a bit biased in this, but I&#8217;ve never really gotten the moral argument.  Certainly that should put you off CAFOs[2], but there&#8217;s a lot of well-raised meat out there.  There&#8217;s a nice conversation about this to be in Barbara Kingsolver&#8217;s &#8220;Animal, Vegetable, Miracle&#8221;.</p>
<p>The health argument is a good one, although I wonder what the health results would be if you compared vegetarians to people with reasonable diets of meat (say, 2 deck-of-cards-sized servings of organic, grass-finished/pastured meat per day).  The biggest issue Americans have is that we have a totally messed up concept of how much protein is really required in our diet, and most of the protein we eat is mass-processed, drive-through-window crap instead of the antibody/antioxidant/omega-3 rich free range alternatives.</p>
<p>And, to bring this comment back around to the original post &#8212; I&#8217;m all over buffalo wings.  To the point of making myself sick.  I just can&#8217;t turn them down&#8230;</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.hegerfeldpremium.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hegerfeldpremium.com/</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://www.epa.gov/region7/water/cafo/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.epa.gov/region7/water/cafo/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diana Siebels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Siebels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love meat,but I think that I could be a vegetarian given the right choice.The really important thing to me is taste.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing most vegetarians will agree that meat tastes better than the soy or mycoprotein derivatoves sold to us as &#039;meat substitutes&#039;, so there usually isn&#039;t much of an argument as far as taste is concerned.

In addition to Tdonz&#039;s statement about environmental reasons and the more common moral concerns (only one small part of my decision), the big reason many eliminate meat from their diet is for health reasons.

I&#039;ve had several direct and close family members die of heart disease or heart attack at a very young age. After partially hydrogenated oils, saturated fats from animal products are at the top of the list of causes.

Eliminating meat from your diet certainly won&#039;t assure long life, but studies have shown that vegetarians do live longer than their meat-eating counterparts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian#Longevity). It&#039;s interesting to note that vegans actually have the same average lifespan as meat eaters, likely because of nutrient deficiencies.

Despite the moral and health reasons that led me to my decision to avoid meat, I have had fish that was caught. I would probably eat deer or other game that I killed myself, that is if I could stomach the gutting process (highly unlikely).

Like it or not, as vegetarians we are forced to live with a certain amount of hypocrisy. You cannot completely avoid animal byproducts in the products you purchase. Beef tallow is used in tires and the paving of roads, so should you always travel on foot? Keep that in mind when passing judgment on those who don&#039;t share the same lifestyle as you.

Likewise, for those who pass judgment on vegetarians, realize that they hold a strong moral conviction to live with such a difficult lifestyle decision in order to benefit something greater than his or her self.

And Ginny, thanks for the tip about the largest vegetarian Thanksgiving celebration (even if I&#039;m not going). One more reason I love Durham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing most vegetarians will agree that meat tastes better than the soy or mycoprotein derivatoves sold to us as &#8216;meat substitutes&#8217;, so there usually isn&#8217;t much of an argument as far as taste is concerned.</p>
<p>In addition to Tdonz&#8217;s statement about environmental reasons and the more common moral concerns (only one small part of my decision), the big reason many eliminate meat from their diet is for health reasons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had several direct and close family members die of heart disease or heart attack at a very young age. After partially hydrogenated oils, saturated fats from animal products are at the top of the list of causes.</p>
<p>Eliminating meat from your diet certainly won&#8217;t assure long life, but studies have shown that vegetarians do live longer than their meat-eating counterparts (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian#Longevity)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian#Longevity)</a>. It&#8217;s interesting to note that vegans actually have the same average lifespan as meat eaters, likely because of nutrient deficiencies.</p>
<p>Despite the moral and health reasons that led me to my decision to avoid meat, I have had fish that was caught. I would probably eat deer or other game that I killed myself, that is if I could stomach the gutting process (highly unlikely).</p>
<p>Like it or not, as vegetarians we are forced to live with a certain amount of hypocrisy. You cannot completely avoid animal byproducts in the products you purchase. Beef tallow is used in tires and the paving of roads, so should you always travel on foot? Keep that in mind when passing judgment on those who don&#8217;t share the same lifestyle as you.</p>
<p>Likewise, for those who pass judgment on vegetarians, realize that they hold a strong moral conviction to live with such a difficult lifestyle decision in order to benefit something greater than his or her self.</p>
<p>And Ginny, thanks for the tip about the largest vegetarian Thanksgiving celebration (even if I&#8217;m not going). One more reason I love Durham.</p>
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		<title>By: Tdonz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh... oyster mushrooms are a kind of mushroom kids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh&#8230; oyster mushrooms are a kind of mushroom kids</p>
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		<title>By: ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brandon Excellent question, perhaps some vegetarians eat shell fish? Or maybe they&#039;re made with oyster crackers.

@mtdukes You&#039;re right about beer tasting better with meat dishes. And you know how much I love me some tasty beer.

@Metricula I used to fish a lot when I was a kid and we always ate the fish we caught. Fish are the only animals I&#039;ve killed and eaten. But I&#039;ve eaten deer meat that my family/friends have killed. Don&#039;t think I could ever kill a deer though. Hypocritical maybe, but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brandon Excellent question, perhaps some vegetarians eat shell fish? Or maybe they&#8217;re made with oyster crackers.</p>
<p>@mtdukes You&#8217;re right about beer tasting better with meat dishes. And you know how much I love me some tasty beer.</p>
<p>@Metricula I used to fish a lot when I was a kid and we always ate the fish we caught. Fish are the only animals I&#8217;ve killed and eaten. But I&#8217;ve eaten deer meat that my family/friends have killed. Don&#8217;t think I could ever kill a deer though. Hypocritical maybe, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Tdonz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: I left work early and SPED to Savannah to get the last known tofurky in the Lowcountry/Coastal Empire region. Totally worth it. And, although I gave up meat originally for ethical reasons, the environmental reasons have become nearly as important in my mind in some ways. It&#039;s the curse of the Wal-Mart effect -- we&#039;re increasingly detached from the origins of our food sources, making us less attached to the means of production and less concerned about the impact of what it takes to get the food to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: I left work early and SPED to Savannah to get the last known tofurky in the Lowcountry/Coastal Empire region. Totally worth it. And, although I gave up meat originally for ethical reasons, the environmental reasons have become nearly as important in my mind in some ways. It&#8217;s the curse of the Wal-Mart effect &#8212; we&#8217;re increasingly detached from the origins of our food sources, making us less attached to the means of production and less concerned about the impact of what it takes to get the food to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you make oyster mushroom croquettes without killing oysters?</description>
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		<title>By: mtdukes</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtdukes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear you&#039;re not planning on turning anytime soon. It&#039;s a good thing too, because I have a hypothesis that beer tastes better with meat dishes than with vegetarian ones.

That&#039;s as good of a reason as any, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear you&#8217;re not planning on turning anytime soon. It&#8217;s a good thing too, because I have a hypothesis that beer tastes better with meat dishes than with vegetarian ones.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s as good of a reason as any, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Metricula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metricula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I basically eat pescatarian for energy efficiency reasons, but I eat red meat and chicken a couple times a month so that it won&#039;t make me sick if I eat it sometimes.

I want to be able to still eat the meat people shoot and dress themselves. Also my life goal is to shoot and eat my own turkey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I basically eat pescatarian for energy efficiency reasons, but I eat red meat and chicken a couple times a month so that it won&#8217;t make me sick if I eat it sometimes.</p>
<p>I want to be able to still eat the meat people shoot and dress themselves. Also my life goal is to shoot and eat my own turkey.</p>
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